by haslo
It's a good question, because I really don't think the rulebook answers it...↧
Reply: King of Tokyo:: Rules:: Re: Timing of Dice Resolution
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: Rules:: Re: Timing of Dice Resolution
by Laladien
clockwirk wrote:
Just got KoT. Great game! Played 3 times tonight and had a blast with each one. Had one question that I haven't been able to find an answer for.
Do all of the dice resolve simultaneously, or can I resolve some to effect others? Specifically, I had the card that allows me to spend 2 energy to change 1 die to whatever I wanted. I only had 1 energy cube, but I had rolled an energy symbol on a die. Can I resolve the energy die to gain a cube, spend the 2 energy to change another die to an attack, and attack another monster? Or do all dice resolve at the same time?
Thanks!
Do all of the dice resolve simultaneously, or can I resolve some to effect others? Specifically, I had the card that allows me to spend 2 energy to change 1 die to whatever I wanted. I only had 1 energy cube, but I had rolled an energy symbol on a die. Can I resolve the energy die to gain a cube, spend the 2 energy to change another die to an attack, and attack another monster? Or do all dice resolve at the same time?
Thanks!
The way I understand it - die rolls are resolved simultaneously after the third roll. You wouldn't gain any energy until the third roll of the dice is complete... and your dice rolling portion is over.
With that logic in mind, I would say that any card use to influence the one die face would be resolved after the third roll is complete, as well.
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: Rules:: Re: Timing of Dice Resolution
by smurfodeth
From the FAQ:King of Tokyo FAQ wrote:
Triggered cards (stretchy, rapid healing, telepathy): as long as you can pay the cost and there is not the "once per turn" limitation, you can activate the card.
There is nothing on the card that limits when or how often you can do this, and you already possess the card, so presumably you could resolve your dice, collect your energy first, then activate Stretchy to change one of your results. This is obviously a bit of a corner case and is unaddressed by the rules, so take my interpretation with a grain of salt, but it seems within the spirit of things. Honestly, this would be my inclination.
However, if one were to seek to be more stringent, one might infer that the listed order along the side of page 1 is the order of dice result resolution, i.e. Victory Points, then Energy, then Attack, then Heal; under this scenario, you couldn't collect an Energy and then use Stretchy to change a VP result to an Attack, but you could change a Heal result to an Attack. Again, I'd be inclined to go with the easier, more relaxed interpretation.
Man, Pete, I keep coming in after you. I swear, I'm not trying to step on your toes!
And, dude, I must be blind. That section of the FAQ is even under the header "Order of resolution". Good catch!
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: Rules:: Re: Healing Ray mandatory and for everyone?
by Laladien
edelen wrote:
Laladien wrote:
And that answers that! Thanks! :)
Actually, it doesn't. I'm more confused than ever. :(
If you can't say no to the healing ray, then you can't stop the mandatory energy bleed, nor can you stop that player with the card from loading up every round he is active and cleaning out the pile of good cards, which almost guarantees a win.
I really hate that Healing Ray card. It seems way overpowered for the price.
Yeah, but again, it simply forces players to switch tactics - if one player is going to try and hog energy - don't accept energy die rolls.
We have one guy who abused the card like a fiend, but once we stopped taking energy results (rerolling them almost every time), he stopped using it...
It means you might not get a lot of cards, but at least it keeps him from gaining energy ridiculously fast.
I do agree that it's slightly overpowered, however.
Again, though - just change tactics! :)
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: Rules:: Re: Timing of Dice Resolution
by bill3
Also from the FAQ:"Partial dice results: you can resolve partially your results and use a card effect (stretchy) to change a dice face.
However: you cannot benefit twice from a dice: if you change a dice you have resolved (like energy), the changed dice has no effect (claw, heart, gaining victory point).
An exception exists for Freezing Time, which states "get an extra turn if at the end of the turn you have 111", therefore you could change a dice you have resolved for a 1, and get an extra turn (but not the victory point associated with 111)."
So I would say that the scenario you described is perfectly legal.
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: Rules:: Re: Timing of Dice Resolution
by Laladien
smurfodeth wrote:
From the FAQ:
There is nothing on the card that limits when or how often you can do this, and you already possess the card, so presumably you could resolve your dice, collect your energy first, then activate Stretchy to change one of your results. This is obviously a bit of a corner case and is unaddressed by the rules, so take my interpretation with a grain of salt, but it seems within the spirit of things. Honestly, this would be my inclination.
However, if one were to seek to be more stringent, one might infer that the listed order along the side of page 1 is the order of dice result resolution, i.e. Victory Points, then Energy, then Attack, then Heal; under this scenario, you couldn't collect an Energy and then use Stretchy to change a VP result to an Attack, but you could change a Heal result to an Attack. Again, I'd be inclined to go with the easier, more relaxed interpretation.
Man, Pete, I keep coming in after you. I swear, I'm not trying to step on your toes!
King of Tokyo FAQ wrote:
Triggered cards (stretchy, rapid healing, telepathy): as long as you can pay the cost and there is not the "once per turn" limitation, you can activate the card.
There is nothing on the card that limits when or how often you can do this, and you already possess the card, so presumably you could resolve your dice, collect your energy first, then activate Stretchy to change one of your results. This is obviously a bit of a corner case and is unaddressed by the rules, so take my interpretation with a grain of salt, but it seems within the spirit of things. Honestly, this would be my inclination.
However, if one were to seek to be more stringent, one might infer that the listed order along the side of page 1 is the order of dice result resolution, i.e. Victory Points, then Energy, then Attack, then Heal; under this scenario, you couldn't collect an Energy and then use Stretchy to change a VP result to an Attack, but you could change a Heal result to an Attack. Again, I'd be inclined to go with the easier, more relaxed interpretation.
Man, Pete, I keep coming in after you. I swear, I'm not trying to step on your toes!
:D Nah, it's all good!
There are a lot of things that are really, really not covered well in the rules...
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by jimmcmahon
Action Phase wrote:
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Thread: King of Tokyo:: General:: In stock in UK
Hi, just in case anyone wanted to know as I've been watching this thread for updates - I'm aware of King of Tokyo being in stock at Games Lore, Shire Games (in Stoke), Fanboy3 and Travelling Man (both in Manchester).
All in the UK![]()
All in the UK
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by Action Phase
Did you check the date of acceptance as legitimate? You should.In terms of the whole, "I never heard of it, therefore it must be wrong..." I wasn't aware you were an elected official for the Grammar Police. Might wanna restructure so you get the memos to avoid embarrassing situations like this. One would think that, when indulging in this sort of debate, you would check your facts, which are readily available--this took me all of 4 seconds to confirm.
Your attempt to knock off my hat in public, rather than having anything to actually contribute to the thread, remains a failure. Move on.
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by jimmcmahon
Action Phase wrote:
Did you check the date of acceptance as legitimate? You should.
In terms of the whole, "I never heard of it, therefore it must be wrong..." I wasn't aware you were an elected official for the Grammar Police. Might wanna restructure so you get the memos to avoid embarrassing situations like this. One would think that, when indulging in this sort of debate, you would check your facts, which are readily available--this took me all of 4 seconds to confirm.
Your attempt to knock off my hat in public, rather than having anything to actually contribute to the thread, remains a failure. Move on.
In terms of the whole, "I never heard of it, therefore it must be wrong..." I wasn't aware you were an elected official for the Grammar Police. Might wanna restructure so you get the memos to avoid embarrassing situations like this. One would think that, when indulging in this sort of debate, you would check your facts, which are readily available--this took me all of 4 seconds to confirm.
Your attempt to knock off my hat in public, rather than having anything to actually contribute to the thread, remains a failure. Move on.
2) I'm not embarrassed, no matter what feelings you may want to suggest I am having. I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong about that. (I was wrong about that.)
3) Now dispute the validity of the punctuation marks that you omitted, which I also bolded, in your post that I quoted.
* - If you quote my original post, you will not be pointing out that I am saying that it must be wrong because I have never heard of it. You will be pointing out that I thought it was incorrect as I was never taught that in English Class.
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by Action Phase
I didn't notice my punctuation (outside the quotations, which was intentional--context, anyone?). Then again, there seems to be a difference in a thread posted on my lunch vs. publishing a revised booklet for a game, right?You seem to be missing the point: I am not a game publisher putting out a 2nd printing of a popular game. The onus should be on the publisher to ensure things like referencing your own game components by the correct name. My thread was never intended to be spiteful. But the question remains: was yours? The only point I can you trying to make is that I also am not perfect... which has nothing to do with the point of the thread: the King is called "Kong."
Drawing attention to something, phrasing it as question to others, and heckling are not the same thing. What was important to me, what motivated me to post this in the first place, was to illuminate this for future edits. Granted, I could have conveyed this directly to eh publisher outside of a public forum. Please take into account that:
1.) I gave the game accolades
2.) I gave plausible excuse(s) based on language barrier
3.) I even said all but the "Kong" issue were marginal (more of a pet peeve).
What more can I say? If you want satisfaction, buy a Snickers. Or troll some more. Either way, bro bro bro.
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by jimmcmahon
Action Phase wrote:
I didn't notice my punctuation (outside the quotations, which was intentional--context, anyone?). Then again, there seems to be a difference in a thread posted on my lunch vs. publishing a revised booklet for a game, right?
You seem to be missing the point: I am not a game publisher putting out a 2nd printing of a popular game. The onus should be on the publisher to ensure things like referencing your own game components by the correct name. My thread was never intended to be spiteful. But the question remains: was yours? The only point I can you trying to make is that I also am not perfect... which has nothing to do with the point of the thread: the King is called "Kong."
Drawing attention to something, phrasing it as question to others, and heckling are not the same thing. What was important to me, what motivated me to post this in the first place, was to illuminate this for future edits. Granted, I could have conveyed this directly to eh publisher outside of a public forum. Please take into account that:
1.) I gave the game accolades
2.) I gave plausible excuse(s) based on language barrier
3.) I even said all but the "Kong" issue were marginal (more of a pet peeve).
What more can I say? If you want satisfaction, buy a Snickers. Or troll some more. Either way, bro bro bro.
You seem to be missing the point: I am not a game publisher putting out a 2nd printing of a popular game. The onus should be on the publisher to ensure things like referencing your own game components by the correct name. My thread was never intended to be spiteful. But the question remains: was yours? The only point I can you trying to make is that I also am not perfect... which has nothing to do with the point of the thread: the King is called "Kong."
Drawing attention to something, phrasing it as question to others, and heckling are not the same thing. What was important to me, what motivated me to post this in the first place, was to illuminate this for future edits. Granted, I could have conveyed this directly to eh publisher outside of a public forum. Please take into account that:
1.) I gave the game accolades
2.) I gave plausible excuse(s) based on language barrier
3.) I even said all but the "Kong" issue were marginal (more of a pet peeve).
What more can I say? If you want satisfaction, buy a Snickers. Or troll some more. Either way, bro bro bro.
I'm not trolling. I have no disputes with any of the points that you have made, which I am also not missing. I agree with everything you've been saying.
I found it amusing that there were some grammatical errors in a post posting about grammatical errors. I pointed it out. If I were to have made the same kinds of mistakes, I would hope someone would point them out to me, as it is feedback. Feedback is never good or bad, it is simply feedback. I take it for what it is worth.
However, I have tried to not be condescending at all, which I personally find things like the "bro bro" and the "bro bro bro" to be. I apologize if what I posted originally seemed to be an attempt to "knock off your hat," for it wasn't intended to be as big a thing as you appear to have taken it to be. I shall now "move along," as you directed me to do earlier.
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by Action Phase
Turning the thread against me, irony or not, serves what purpose? It was meant to highlight that I, too, made mistakes--one of which I will concede; one of which you were wrong. You went on to wane intellectual, so how would you expect me to respond? You say you agree with what I am saying, but all you did was repost and bold what you deemed mistakes. In terms of a response, what did you expect?At this point, the ego headbutting is silly. But, to be fair, isn't this what you wanted? Maybe we should both vamoose for the sake of humility.
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: Rules:: Re: Healing Ray mandatory and for everyone?
by Osoroshii
At my gaming group we saw the raw power of the healing ray abused as well. The solution we came up with is you cann't heal a monster already at 10 health and this simple fix seemed to balance the card out alot. As far as the getting hit by the ray as optional seems to break the card in the other way ( not even worth having).↧
Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by costguy
Action Phase wrote:
please don't take this seriously, I just found it amusing that in defending your use of "gotta" = "got a" linked a source defining "gotta" as
got to; have got to.
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by Action Phase
Heh. Nice.↧
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Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by copax
Threads like these make me scratch my head. If you want to help point out inconsistencies so they can be corrected in future printings, why not send them directly to the publisher? Why call them out in a public forum?↧
Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by Action Phase
I conceded this above, so your reply perplexes me, sir.↧
Reply: King of Tokyo:: General:: Re: Accompanying booklet with this game
by copax
Well, I guess everybody's just perplexed all around, then.↧