Reply: King of Tokyo:: Rules:: Re: Order of operations

by ras2124

jonahmaul wrote:

ras2124 wrote:

Ender02 wrote:

kryyst wrote:

You hit 20 points, you win. The card can be played at anytime he should have played it before you bought the card.

Nope! jonahmaul has it correct. The rules say that you have to survive until the end of the turn with 20 VP to win. If something were to happen during that turn that causes you to die, or to drop below 20VP, you do not win and the game goes on.

That is not the question here. The question is in regards to an evolution that steals victory points which was used after a player reached 20.

But the implication about surviving until the end of the turn contradicts the immediate victory from getting to 20 VPs. This was the nugget of the conversation in the other thread. If for example you had an evolution that dealt damage to a monster, and subsequently killed the monster that had just got 20 VPs, this would seem to be allowed by the rules. Because you hadn't survived until the end of the turn. The difference with the scenario proposed by the OP is that it removes VPs rather than life. But there isn't a logical reason why one would allow you to play before the end of the turn, and one wouldn't.

The difference is a question of when does a turn end. As in pretty much every game, it should be up to the player.

If a player buys a card that gives them 20 points but kills them, they have made a decision to continue their turn and die, forfeiting the victory. These events happen simultaneously, and therefore during the turn.

In the OPs case, the player bought a card, got 20 points, and was still alive; therefore, there was no reason to assume the turn would continue as the player was finished, and the turn would end immediately after the card was purchased. The fact that another card was played afterwards by another player doesn't matter whether it would do the killing blow or remove points.

The only time this would make sense for another player to be able to play cards after a player has 20 points is if the player has not rolled (i.e. final point was given from being in Tokyo).

The reason you see a contradiction in the rules is because you are suggesting a turn goes on indefinitely until all players come to an agreement that the turn is over. I also don't know for certain, but I imagine it went something like the winning player declaring his victory (clearly a signal that his turn was over) and the other player being like , "Oh wait, I have a card to stop you," but I can't be certain.